2 cents about city balance, spies and some ideas about it

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Frodo Astrada
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The daily debate about city balance is distorted, specially because this server is so old that lots of people has access to hunter characters in both towns. This permanent switching is in fact so normal that is timezone related, and by that i mean that now there are lots of elvs that i didn't see log in a while, just when LMF guild is back in cyan shades.

Yesterday at Dc as well: lots of TKB guild (i thought that shit died), 140 no rb guildmasters of whateverthefuck guild..its kind of insulting for the people who's standing their ground and so much for the people who keeps switching for helping balance. And its a punish to the map-winner-city to erase items that some spy got like that dusa neck a few months ago. That's also an extra job for whoever has to check the players' "authenticity". And if no one makes a complain cause that player doesn't look like a spy, it'll pass as its been happening on almost every druncnian massive party.

I think that, in some ways, the game is encouraging all those things to happen. It kinda feels like keep playing in 640x480 resolution while everybody plays 800x600 just to keep the traditions. 

So to get to the point, if locking login between cities isn't a thing, i'd like to propose that if an IP logs in a different town, it should have its drop rate significantly reduced for 8/16/24 hs.

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Remco Althuis
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I dont think you understand the way it works. The cooldown on city swap and free transfer would allow people to play together and make the decision when the balance is getting out of hand as it is for now. 
the current “system” of buy ticket to move is clearly not working and will never work as the times have shown. Also it takes way too much time to discuss or ask some “guildmasters” to make the vote to move the guild yada yada yada.


You mean it locks for the entire server and not per person? So basically every week - everyone has 1 moment to change oe not - and after that - the towns are fixed for a week?

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Gregor Sedrik
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I don’t trust on players to orchestrate their own balance… they are the problem we continuous have. Few good players want to balance and large majority then fucks things over cause they want free hunt

I dont think you understand the way it works. The cooldown on city swap and free transfer would allow people to play together and make the decision when the balance is getting out of hand as it is for now. 
the current “system” of buy ticket to move is clearly not working and will never work as the times have shown. Also it takes way too much time to discuss or ask some “guildmasters” to make the vote to move the guild yada yada yada.


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Remco Althuis
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Think the only "real" way to avoid this is if we:

1) remove city change ticket from coins list and make it free

2) make it with a cooldown of 7-14 days (to change again you need to wait 7-14 days)

This will allow one to transfer all their characters to the city they play + it would allow people who play the server to balance the server not the tickets. 

Regarding spies its kinda hard because you can make a spy with 30 seconds without VPN, just open client, make a new character but dont select city, now login to other client with your main, then go back to spy and select city and boom you have spy character in 30 sec

I don’t trust on players to orchestrate their own balance… they are the problem we continuous have. Few good players want to balance and large majority then fucks things over cause they want free hunt

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Remco Althuis
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Because I was originally Elvine and moved my main to Aresden for balance. Not that hard to figure out.

So when chars are moved for balance, the entire account moves and not a single char. The idea should be that you play only on 1 city with all your troops (in a proposed solution - I know this is not how it works right now)

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Gregor Sedrik

Think the only "real" way to avoid this is if we:

1) remove city change ticket from coins list and make it free

2) make it with a cooldown of 7-14 days (to change again you need to wait 7-14 days)

This will allow one to transfer all their characters to the city they play + it would allow people who play the server to balance the server not the tickets. 

Regarding spies its kinda hard because you can make a spy with 30 seconds without VPN, just open client, make a new character but dont select city, now login to other client with your main, then go back to spy and select city and boom you have spy character in 30 sec

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bro
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And why is your alchemist an Elvine? 🧐🧐

Because I was originally Elvine and moved my main to Aresden for balance. Not that hard to figure out.

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Remco Althuis
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My main as Aresden, but my alchemy char is Elvine so I'd get punished for logging my alchemy char to make myself inv pots? I don't like it. 

And why is your alchemist an Elvine? 🧐🧐

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bro

My main as Aresden, but my alchemy char is Elvine so I'd get punished for logging my alchemy char to make myself inv pots? I don't like it. 

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Frodo Astrada
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I fully agree! Last months ares was stronger. I see guilds every day in ToH3 hunting. Now Elvine is stronger, no one in those guilds login. Only Synchronized (kudos to them). At the same time I see ToH3 full of “new” guilds with “new” players and full gear. It’s what breaks the server as balance can never happen in this way


i would automatically ban people logging multiple towns. Yes they can work around with vpn’s.. but majorit will not do this and stick to one town. The person that does exploit it will be discovered and can be banned.. even when they for example forget to turn on vpn and login with same ip one day 

yeah i think a ban might be harsh, thats why i'm proposing a different kind of penalty that's more related to the reason why they perma switch, and that is hunting. An 8 hour penalty on drops could also incentivate pvp and much more if it takes place on the new additional maps that are planned to include.
And as to VPN, if i'm not wrong this server can detect from which pc are you logging in aside from whats ur isp or vpn. So if it's like that, these penalties could be applied to the PC itself. But that's something i'm not really sure if its doable.

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Remco Althuis

I fully agree! Last months ares was stronger. I see guilds every day in ToH3 hunting. Now Elvine is stronger, no one in those guilds login. Only Synchronized (kudos to them). At the same time I see ToH3 full of “new” guilds with “new” players and full gear. It’s what breaks the server as balance can never happen in this way


i would automatically ban people logging multiple towns. Yes they can work around with vpn’s.. but majorit will not do this and stick to one town. The person that does exploit it will be discovered and can be banned.. even when they for example forget to turn on vpn and login with same ip one day 


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